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Mass in B minor BWV 232

Conducted by Kurt Thomas

Recording

V-2

J.S. Bach: Mass in B minor BWV 232

Mass in B minor BWV 232

Kurt Thomas

Kantorei der Dreikönigskirche Frankfurt / Collegium Musicum Orchestra

Soprano: Lisa Schwarzweller; Alto: Lore Fischer; Tenor: Helmut Kretschmar; Bass: Bruno Müller

L’Oiseaux Lyre

1954 or 1955

3-LP / TT:

See: Mass in B minor BWV 232 - conducted by Kurt Thomas

Kurt Thomas Mass in B Minor uploaded

Nagamiya Tutomu wrote (January 1, 2006):
Today, I uploaded the Kurt Thomas' recording of the Mass in B Minor on my website.
The issue of this recording was in 1955 at the latest. So the copyright of it is expired today at the latest.
http://www.kantate.info/old_recordings.htm

Richard wrote (January 1, 2006):
[To Nagamiya Tutomu] Many thanks for Kurt Thomas Mass which I had not heard since 1958... I think it was recorded in Paris by André Charlin at the beginning of 1956.

Philip Peters wrote (January 1, 2006):
[To Nagamiya Tutomu] Thank you very much for uploading this and the other goodies. I downloaded them greedily ;-) I have one question: who are the performers of BWV.152 & BWV.158 and when where these recorded? Hm...that makes two questions actually..sorry about that.

Best wishes to all for 2006.

Nagamiya Tutomu wrote (January 2, 2006):
[To Philip Peters] Thank you for your greedy downloading :-)
For your question, I updated the page with more detailed information. So I think you would get the point.

Nagamiya Tutomu wrote (January 2, 2006):
[To Richard] There is no information in the album when and where it was recorded. But there is pirinted "JU. 55/4" on the reverse side of the jackets. So it could not be recorded after "JU. 55/4". Perhaps, I think, it means the date of publication.

I would appreciate any infotmation about this recording.

Philip Peters wrote (January 2, 2006):
[To Nagamiya Tutomu] I appreciate your concern but I find only information about BWV.152 & 158 in Japanese and my Japanese isn't quite what it used to be... Is it just me (Alzheimer's? Korsakov's? ;-) ?

Richard wrote (January 2, 2006):
[To Nagamiya Tutomu] This recording was published in France in 1957 ( OL 112/4 ). It was reviewed in French magazine " DISQUES " n° 90 of 1957, with 1956 as year of recording. Who really knows ? This record looks very outdated to new generations, But it remains brilliant despite the singing of the german Lieder singer Lore Fischer, rather overexpressive...And it is so exciting to hear those striking trumpet sounds....

Nagamiya Tutomu wrote (January 2, 2006):
[To Philip Peters] Won't you please reload the page?
It often occurs that old page is displayed though the page has been already updated.

Yoël L. Arbeitman wrote (January 3, 2006):
[To Nagamiya Tutomu] I don't think that Aryeh will mind at all if I tell this story briefly. Recently, when I was experiencing something with some less than world-famed performer, I looked at the biographies which Aryeh prepared on all performers who have left any audio record of a Bach work, the greats and the less than greats and even the bads. I found some error in it (I no longer recall who or what). Aryeh wrote me back and said that now he had corrected the error (actually there were several). I immediately wrote back and said: Look, it says the selfsame things (wrong things) as before. Aryeh kindly and patiently explained to me that my cache had preserved the unchanged old error-laden write-up. Now, I did not turn green nor did I turn red; rather I thanked him, not only for changing the information but for informing me with my naive understanding of the computer that I had to refresh bzw. reload. So obvious and yet not intuitive. My brother has always told me that in the world of computers it is often the counter-(in)tuitive which will get you to your destination. And so it was and all came to a conclusion in the best possible way.

On another matter, yesterday I was telling a friend who is an friend herself of the old Sonia Cervena about this alto's recordings of Mahler's Kindertotenlieder under Scherchen in 1960 together with her recording with the same conductor of Mahler Sym. no. 3. It gave me the opportunity to inform her that, of the first four recordings of Mahler no. 3, three of them are with Hilde Rössl-Majdan:

Hermann SCHERCHEN Hilde RÖSSL-MAJDAN Konzertvereinigung Wiener Staatsopernchor,

Wiener Symphoniker
Live TAHRA Oct.31.1950
=================
1951 Eugen SZENKÁR Diana EUSTRATI Chor,

Kölner Rundfunk Symphonie Orchester
Live ARCHIPHON Mar.5.1951
==================
1951 Charles ADLER Hilde RÖSSL-MAJDAN Konzertvereinigung Wiener Staatsopernchor,

Wiener Sängerknaben,

Wiener Symphoniker
CONIFER
=====================
1952 Charles ADLER Hilde RÖSSL-MAJDAN Konzertvereinigung Wiener Staatsopernchor,

Wiener Sängerknaben,

Wiener Symphoniker
Live TAHRA Apr.20.1952
====================

One under Scherchen (the first recording; later in 1960 Scherchen has another recording with Sonia Cervena). Two under Adler, one studio, the other live. I had no idea for the life of me who either conductor Eugen SZENKÁR or alto Diana EUSTRATI were. I then shortly realized that she is in the Lehmann Matthäus-Passion (the one with Krebs).. I also recalled listening to that recording about a year ago, not responding well to it and having no memory of any of the soloists except for Helmut Krebs who did not appeal to me in that recording. I do find him outstanding in his German language radio broadcast of four of Berlioz's Sommernächte. So, one thing leads to another and it is so nice to be able to discuss music with simple interest in the music and without religious wars which have no place on a music list.


 

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Part 1: Kyrie | Part 2: Gloria | Part 3: Credo | Part 4: Sanctus | Part 5: Agnus Dei | Part 6: Early Recordings | Part 7: Summary
Individual Recordings:
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Articles:
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